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spy drone. an unmanned u.s. drone falls out of the sky over iranian air space. iran says they shot it down. the u.s. says its operators lost control. unsolved mysteries. police in new york discuss new theories about a string of unsolved murders and bodies found dumped on beaches in long island. >> our theory is now that it's one killer involved. >> we'll have a special in-depth report. hazing scandal. the prestigious florida a&m university marching band under investigation for the death of a student. we'll hear from mothers of two band members. and the blame game and herman cain. it's always someone else's fault, and he's not alone. it's our no talking points
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segment. >> these false and unproved allegations continue to be spinned in the media. >> it's all right here right now on cnn. good evening. i'm don lemon. thank you for joining us. winter is coming. occupy protesters have been getting ready. this plastic bubble recently went up in buffalo, new york. it was donated by supporters so demonstrators can stay warm and dry. in portland, oregon, police moved in when people set up camping tents. 19 people were arrested. but the real drama today has been in washington. police and protesters have been in a standoff over a wooden building that went up overnight. let's get to cnn's athena jones. athena? >> hi, don. you know, this ended just a little while ago with the police finally being able to take down the last protester who was on top of the structure that occupy d.c. protesters erected overnight. police came in late this morning and told them they needed to take the structure down.
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they said there were safety concerns, that the structure hadn't gone through the proper inspections. but protesters refused to leave. and so they occupied the building itself which has now been torn down. as you can see behind me. several of them climbed on top of it. at one point there were about a dozen of these demonstrators on top of the building. and they stayed there for hours. throughout the day they led chants. demonstrators here in the crowd away from the structure who were throwing them food and water. this is a camp here in mcpherson square, they've been camping out here since the beginning of october. we're only a few blocks from the white house. protesters and police have both said that they haven't really had any big problems until today. and so you had this more than nine-hour long standoff. ultimately no one was injured. it was a very difficult and dangerous process at one point trying to get these protesters off the structure. at one point, one of the police who was in a cherry picker yelled to some others to be
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careful because there was concern that one of the rafters would break inside of the structure. but we had them come out with a cherry picker to pull people off. they used harnesses, ropes. at one point they inflated a giant cushion where some of the protesters jumped off. one somersaulted off of the roof of this structure. so it's been quite a hectic day. 15 people were arrested for crossing a police line. that's earlier in the day. another 16 were arrested for failure to obey an order to vacate. and then the last person to remain on the structure was arrested and charged with several other offenses, including resisting arrest, indecent exposure and urinating in public. and so it's been quite a dramatic day. one of the concerns early on was that the police would ask for the whole park to leave. there's lots of tents around this park. that has not happened, and we don't expect it to. athena jones, appreciate your reporting. we want to go to news overseas.
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iran is bragging about a new prize in its conflict with the u.s. a drone plane supposedly shot down over eastern iran. i talked with cnn's pentagon correspondent barbara starr about the incident. she explained this was no ordinary drone. >> good evening. iranian authorities are saying they did shoot down a highly classified u.s. unmanned spy plane over their territory along that eastern border with afghanistan. iran says the drone they shot down was something called an arcu-170. that's one of the most secret drones in the u.s. military and intelligence arsenal. essentially a stealth drone flies undetected, gathering intelligence and targeting information. what is the u.s. saying? so far the u.s. using the nato alliance in afghanistan to issue a statement. it's only saying, quote, the uav which the iranians are referring to may be a u.s. unarmed reconnaissance aircraft that had been flying a mission over western afghanistan late last week. the operators of the uav lost
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control of the aircraft and had been working to determine its status. that is what the u.s. is saying about all of this. a loss of flight controls before the drone went down. what the u.s. isn't saying is that it was shot down or that it was one of these highly classified drones. so the key question now is really obvious. do the iranians have their hands on classified u.s. intelligence technology? >> cnn's pentagon correspondent barbara starr. thank you so much. let's turn to a bombshell announcement sunday from the pulpit of one of the biggest mega churches. bishop eddie long in suburban, atlanta, says he's taking a leave of absence to attend to his family. his wife vanessa filed for divorce a few days ago. long has been embroiled in controversy for -- when four young men accused him of coercive sexual relationships. long denies the allegations but settled the lawsuits out of court. i want to bring in john blake, he's a religion writer at
1:06 am you have been doing a serious discussion on this. you've been talking about it. you were a member of the church? >> no, i was never a member. but i've been writing about bishop long since the late 1990s. >> how serious is it that vanessa long is filing for divorce? >> i don't think he's going to recover. i'd be surprised if bishop long ever leads a mega church again. two big reasons. one is his whole image is built on his masculinity and being this family man. just goes to the heart of that. she's taken that away. it's going to be difficult for a lot of the women in the church which make up the majority of the church to say, why should i stick by bishop long if his wife isn't sticking by him. >> was she one of the last things standing in the way from a complete departure from the church for him or a complete collapse of the church? if his wife is standing by, the women would say, there must be something to it. maybe these allegations are false? >> i think it's a very serious blow. i mean, because a lot of other people have left. bernice king, dr. king's
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daughter left a while ago. and a lot of other big shots left. when she leaves if she's not at his side, it's just going to be difficult for him. >> before this came out, were there any signs of trouble in the marriage? i had never heard of it. >> no, what i've heard is that she's incredible. very gracious. beautiful woman. so i didn't hear about any trouble within the marriage. >> so one would think, and we don't know. we're not there. one would think maybe this had a lot to do with it. you've been out there. what is the mood? >> it's like going to a funeral. the place is dead, dying. and there's precedent for this. a lot of people think he can recover but there was a very famous mega church in atlanta not too far from new berth that had a big sex scandal, chapel hill, bishop earl paul. once that happened, that church died. you'd go to the church grounds and see this big huge church. nobody in it. >> the church, isn't it about redemption and forgiveness? >> there's little redemption and
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forgiveness for a pastor in a black church who is perceived as gay. people believe he's gay, living a double life, not only living a double lay, he came out very hard against gay people. he might appear to be even a hypocrite. there's no precedent for a black past tor get into the pulpit to have all those shadows hanging over him and to be popular and lead a mega church again. >> it's interesting you said that. because no one has actually said that word about him being gay. even though it's just rumors. we don't know. it's been rumors for decades now about bishop eddie long and that. and if this sort of comes to fruition as of now, it's going to be taken very seriously in the church. >> well, people speculate about all types of pastors' sexual orientation. these charges, these four young men, that's definitely gay behavior. and for people to still think about that and say, we'll still go to church if you are there. it's going to be hard. >> thank you, john. we appreciate that., he writes for our belief blog and in general as well. he's written on this issue. thank you, john.
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one of our regular guests on "newsroom," a political analyst, goldie taylor, very knowledgeable to the church, she is not a member, but has many connections to the church community. taylor says vanessa long played a pivotal role in the rise of the mega church. while the bishop and his wife's future not clear right now, taylor says new birth can survive without its founders. >> i think the church absolutely can survive. i've always -- >> with eddie long? >> that's the question. i have always said that new birth and its spirit is bigger than eddie long. but if the church decides to be smaller than eddie long, it absolutely will not survive. yes, their donations are down. yes, they've had to lay off staff. yes, the enrollment in membership is down. but tell me where that isn't true across any church in this country. >> if they can't survive without eddie long, that will be the ruination of the church? >> that will be the rue ruin nation of the church, if they
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decide that their future is tied to just one man rather than the church itself, a church without walls, then, yeah, they will have a tough time surviving. >> if there's a lesson in any of this, you know, as i said when the story started to unfold, there are no winners in this. there is a family. eddie long jr.'s son and actually had a bit of a confrontation with him in the atrium not long ago about this story. and it was -- let's say a heated discussion about this story. do you think that if there's anything that will come out of this, that there's a wake-up call about people who blindly sort of follow people and who don't necessarily see the realities of the world, is there anything that can come out of this for people? a wake-up call for any of us? >> i think the lesson about this and how i've even chosen by own church. this is about stewardship. and this is about how you entrust your life, your spiritual life, your assets, your family. underneath one leader. and you have to choose your
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steward well. you have to understand -- you have to choose a steward that is compassionate, that is out for your greater good and not simply out for their own. that's a real question here. >> if the church is really about what it espouses to be and it's about redemption and acceptance and loving, then they can accept eddie long back because nobody is perfect. no man is perfect. >> there is something in christianity called a sit-down. that's when you willingly take yourself out of the pulpit for a time of reconciliation. eddie long has that opportunity now. i think that's what this is about, and if he can successfully come out of the other side of that, then sure. i think he's ready to lead new birth again. >> i think we're being -- i may be a little pollyanna-ish. i think that can happen, but in a perfect world it could. it would be great if that could happen. right? >> i think that's the process and the process of redemption is open to eddie long just as it's open to all of us. >> thank you goldie taylor. vanessa long's divorce petition said she and her
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husband are separated and there is no hope of reconciliation. the herman cain campaign derailed. who is going to get his supporters? michele bachmann says they're already moving over to her side. we'll talk about it in moments. plus news, clues in the long island serial killers lead police to believe there's only one killer. hey... there's mom! hey, let mom try. ready, go! ♪ yeah, rock on, mom! [ male announcer ] sometimes a hint is all the wrapping a gift needs.
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diamond, sonny rollins and yo-yo ma were honored for their lifetime contribution to american culture. at a white house reception, the president had a bit of fun with one honoree in particular. >> the most amazing thing about yo-yo ma is that everybody likes him. you have to give me some tips. it's remarkable. >> top hollywood stars and political dignitaries attended the gala performance. among them, actors stanley tuchi and sarah jessica parker and rahm emmanuel. okay. so with herman cain out of the race for the white house, his supporters are now fair game for the republicans who are still in the fight. and i asked, where cnn contributor will cain saw those backers going? >> there's two polls out. des moines register and public polling policy -- public policy
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polling. they both say about 40% of herman cain supporters see newt gingrich as their second choice. we should stop, you know, and kind of marvel at that absurdity. those attracted to the ultimate washington outsider in herman cain are going to opt as their second choice for the ultimate washington insider -- >> well, also, too if you think about it the thing that drove herman cain out of this race were allegations of infidelity and his shenanigans with women. and newt gingrich has a whole laundry list of those in his past. >> right. so move to the guy with the next stellar character record. it is absurd that newt gingrich is the second choice. i have to say. one thing herman cain was able to foster, one reputation or perception better that he was able to foster was that of conservative purity. and that's something michele bachmann has been able to do as well. she's been able to sell herself as the pure conservative. so, yeah, i think there are some supporters who right now support or did support herman cain who will move to bachmann.
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>> how much of a boost could that give her considering cain's dive in the polls before his exit. yesterday, i was talking to shannon travis who was there. there was hardly anybody at this announcement. it wasn't a big crowd. you talk to other people who followed him even before, days before, there weren't big crowds showing up for him. >> right. honestly it's like two bank robbers sitting in the vault arguing over the split. meanwhile, the bank has already been robbed. newt gingrich has already stolen all of herman cain's support. it simultaneously flipped. herman cain was at 25 and newt at 8. now newt is high and cain is at about 8. >> you mentioned bachmann being the true conservative, being the tea party candidate. is that true given her low poll numbers? does the tea party even matter in this election? >> here's the problem with that question. here's the problem with this entire attempted analysis is we can't define the tea party. we never have been able to define the tea party. are they libertarianism by
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another name as evidenced by ron paul or rand paul's support or the religious right as evidenced by michele bachmann and rick perry. it's been impossible to define. it does swing some power, but it's impossible to coalesce. it's split up among herman cain, all we know is newt gingrich, michele bachmann. the tea party is defined by what it is not. it's not mitt romney. >> yeah. all right. new clues in the long island serial killings case. police now believe there's only one killer responsible for the murder of at least ten people. susan candiotti has an in-depth report just ahead. so i like control in the rest of my life... especially my finances. that's why i have slate, with blueprint. i can make a plan to pay off big stuff faster... or avoid interest on everyday things. that saves me money. with slate from chase, i'm always in control. financially, anyway. get slate with blueprint and save money. call 855-get-slate today.
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long island police hope a renewed search for a missing prostitute will help them find a killer. the first hunt for her revealed a sinister series of murders, ten in all, going back some 15 years. tonight, cnn's national correspondent susan candiotti takes an in-depth look at the case from detectives trying to solve this eerie mystery. >> reporter: it's been a year since police discovered the bodies of four sex workers. wrapped in burlap, disposed of like garbage in heavy brush along a desolate stretch of highway near long island's south shore. from december to april, ten victims eventually were found. one had vanished 15 years ago. all women, except for a toddler and a man. each grisly discovery begging a question that one man is answering. hi, commissioner. good to see you again. retiring suffolk county long island police commissioner richard dormer has a new theory.
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commissioner, what is your theory now almost a year after the bodies were found, of how many killers there are? >> we're leaning towards the one serial killer scenario. >> reporter: one killer because of his targets. victims in the sex trade, in their 20s. hidden in the same general area. seven months ago, investigators had a different theory that there was more than one person responsible. >> there is no evidence that all of these remains are that of a single killer. >> reporter: what drew you to the conclusion, however, that's you didn't have before? >> there was a male found with the group. that certainly was different. and then there was a toddler found. >> reporter: because the man shown in this police composite was dressed in women's clothes, dormer says he probably also was a prostitute, linking him to the other victims. as for the toddler, though found seven miles from the remains of his likely mother, police theorize she was also in the sex trade.
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>> we find out it's, you know, not unusual for a sex worker to bring her toddler along if she can't find a babysitter. >> do you have a profile of who you think this person is? >> no, we don't. in this case, we believe that this person is organized. he's an organized killer. rather than disorganized. >> organized and a local. >> well, it's obvious that somebody, whoever this is, knows the area. >> the suspected killer did not dismember every victim. dormer says that's not unusual. >> they could change their m.o. it's possible he changed his m.o. >> forever the first time, police are not linking shannon gilbert to this case. also a prostitute. it was her disappearance last december that led to the discovery of the first four bodies. gilbert remains missing. police plan another search for her and the serial killer. do you think he'll slip up? >> they always do.
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doesn't matter how smart they are or how organized they are. they always make a mistake. >> which means he could strike again. susan candiotti, cnn, suffolk county, long island. victims' families have been following the case closely. what do they think about the new theory? susan spoke with them. you'll see her follow-up to the story. it's salonpas. this is the relief i've been looking for. salonpas has 2 powerful pain fighting ingredients that work for up to 12 hours. and my pharmacist told me it's the only otc pain patch approved for sale using the same rigorous clinical testing that's required for prescription pain medications. proven. powerful. safe. salonpas.
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before the break, we told you the latest theory in the long island murder investigation. one serial killer responsible for at least ten murders. the case has troubled no one like the victims' family members. here's susan candiotti. >> reporter: melissa watches a montage of photos in tribute to her sister maureen, a mother of two. maureen brainer barnes is one of ten victims of a suspected serial killer who remains uncaptured after 15 years. >> someone that disregards human life. to keep on doing it over and over again. it's horrible. i can't even flush a goldfish down the toilet let alone harm another human being. >> brainerd barnes left her home in norwich, connecticut in 2007. she told her sister she had a weekend modeling job in new york city and then vanished.
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three years later, in december 2010, police found her body wrapped in burlap. her sister was told maureen was strangled. three other women were also found murdered in the brush along the same isolated stretch of highway. police say the killer chose his targets carefully, all in the sex trade. >> i can't even describe to myself how bad it feels to be, you know, a family member of one of these girls that were found. the family of melissa bartholemy in new york is also grieving and, like cann is not surprised that a single killer is now suspected. he used bartholemy's own cell phone seven times to taunt her little sister after she vanished. in one call, the family attorney says the killer even confessed. >> he is cold. he is very precise.
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he's very disciplined. and he is the quintessential monster. he's a monster. >> reporter: the victims' families worry the killer may not be done. >> he's getting better and better at it. very comfortable doing what he's doing. >> melissa cann says the families stay in touch daily getting strength from each other. last summer they met for a vigil on the beach near the crime scenes. they plan another vigil this month. >> we formed bonds that like no one can take from us. and it may not be a bond from blood, but it's a bond from tragedy. >> detectives are poring over phone records and sifting through leads vowing to crack the case one day. >> do the victims families know that we're taking this very seriously. we want to bring this to a successful conclusion. we want to catch the killer of your family member. >> melissa caan says families
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won't give up either. >> i know she'd be proud and know that, just say, don't stop giving up. don't give up on me. susan candiotti, suffolk county, long island. there is no place like home. american troops return from iraq. that and more of your top stories next. ugh, it's my sinus congestion, and it's all your fault. naturally blame the mucus. he's funny. instead of blaming me, try this, advil congestion relief. often the real problem is swelling, not mucus. advil congestion relief reduces swelling due to nasal inflammation. so i can breathe. happily ever after. another story? from him! [ mucus ] advil congestion relief. the right relief for the real problem. forty years ago, he wasn't worried about retirement. he'd yet to hear of mutual funds, iras, or annuities. back then, he had something more important to do. he wasn't focused on his future but fortunately, somebody else was.
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troops returning home from iraq. these troops returned to ft. hood, texas, after being in iraq for ten months. similar scenes could be seen across the u.s. throughout the weekend as the iraq pull-out continues. nearly all of the 11,000 troops remaining in iraq are due to be out by december 31st. there was no stopping this excessive celebration at oklahoma state university saturday night. ten people were hurt when osu fans rushed the home field after they trounced rival oklahoma 44-10 on saturday night. the scene got crazy fast and espn showed the crowd tearing down a goal post. most people injured were trampled in the rush. six were treated and released. four others were admitted, including two in guarded but stable condition tonight. something we haven't seen in a while.
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tiger woods pumping his fist after winning a tournament. woods won the chevron world challenge sunday in thousand oaks, california, with birdies on the last two holes. it's his first tournament victory in more than two years. and the win boosts his rankings to 21st in the world. his next event isn't until the end of january in abu dhabi. we don't know who will be playing on the field at the super bowl this year, but we now know who will be the halftime headliner. it's going to be madonna. nbc and the nfl made the announcement a short time ago. the super bowl is february 5th in indianapolis. and madonna will be the halftime entertainer. now to the big stories in the week ahead from the white house to hollywood. our correspondents tell you what you need to know. we begin with the president's plans for the week. >> i'm dan lothian at the white house. this week, president obama will meet with canada's prime minister stephen harper. white house spokesman jay carney said the two leaders would touch on the economy and
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security issues among other things. he would not confirm if they would be discussing the controversial keystone pipeline. that meeting takes place on wednesday after president obama returns from a tuesday trip to eastern kansas where he will be delivering remarks on the economy at a local high school. i'm kate bolduan on capitol hill. both the house and senate will be largely focused on taking care of critical year-end issues like the big fight over extending the payroll tax cut and how to pay for it. as well as extending unemployment assistance among other big issues that are all set to expire at the end of this month which is the end of the year. lawmakers also need to reach agreement on how to keep the government funded beyond mid-december. all of this ahead of the coming congressional holiday break. i'm poppy harlow in new york. coming up this week on wall street, some key economic reports, including the latest manufacturing and trade numbers and a look at consumer sentiment in the midst of the holiday shopping season.
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also the most recent realty track foreclosure numbers come out. europe will continue to be a major focus as treasury secretary tim geithner travels across the continent. he'll meet with eurozone leaders to discuss possible efforts to resolve the debt crisis there. we'll track it for you all week on cnn money. i'm "showbiz tonight's" a.j. hammer. we're going to have the latest in the kim kardashian divorce war. so will kim grant her ex an annulment? also braxton family values stars will be sharing secrets from their superstar family and their reality show with me. make sure you catch "showbiz tonight exclusively at 11:00 p.m. eastern and pacific on cnn. what's the latest on the weather? jacqui jeras is in the cnn weather system. >> we're watching two systems that will be affecting a lot of the country here. we'll start with one you've been dealing with all weekend long. that's the floodmaker from the eastern great lakes down to the gulf coast. a stalled front will continue to bring heavy rain. so be aware of that for your
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commute tomorrow morning. and then in the west, strong, high pressure dives in with the coldest air this season. bringing back the santa ana winds. bringing in crazy winds over the wasatch range and heavy snow along the i-25 corridor. here it is. what you've been looking forward to. tomorrow's commute tonight. the worst five cities for your travel weatherwise expected tomorrow. number five, detroit. looking for some rain. this may mix in with a little snow. it's going to be light but it's going to make things slick. especially the bridges and overpasses and detroit a big hub. number four, memphis, heavy rain. probably could have added in places like louisville into cincinnati and cleveland. watch out. that's going to impact your visibility. denver, number three. looking for some snow and some wind. this is primarily in the morning. you should be able to handle it certainly by the afternoon for sure. city number two, salt lake city. because of those high winds, you are still picking up the debris from the strong winds last week. now we've got another round coming in tonight and tomorrow morning. and city number one,
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albuquerque, new mexico. looking for snow and wind. could see up to a foot in the high country. so albuquerque not a great day. it's going to be that way pretty much all day long. >> oh, boy. here we go. in the beginning of the week. thank you, jacqui jeras. we appreciate it. okay. it's a go-to tactic for republicans. blame the media. the lame stream media. but herman cain tried it and look where he ended up. no talking points next. et me. they're all like, "hey, brother, doesn't it bother you that no one notices you?" and i'm like, "doesn't it bother you you're not reliable?" and they say, "shut up!" and i'm like, "you shut up." in business, it's all about reliability. 'cause these guys aren't just hitting "print." they're hitting "dream." so that's what i do. i print dreams, baby. [whispering] big dreams. to bring you a low-priced medicare prescription drug plan. ♪ with the lowest national plan premium...
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it is time now for no talking points. so tonight, herman cain, the cain train, black walnut, the pizza man, this time didn't deliver. >> with a lot of prayer and soul searching, i am suspending my presidential campaign. >> all right. in all fairness, we tried to help him out in our november 6th no talking points segment when his alleged lady troubles first surfaced. but i guess he wasn't watching or just didn't listen to us. go ahead. roll it, rob. >> excuse me -- excuse me! >> what part of no don't people understand? >> the question is, what part of running for leader of the free
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world does herman cain not understand? you are going to be asked questions a lot of them on just about everything you have ever said or done, especially sexual misconduct allegations. just ask clinton, vitter, weiner, foley or craig, shall i go on, hart, lee or edwards? you get what i'm saying. yet cain keeps trying to block reporters. as i said, we tried to help him out. not only did he try to block reporters questions. he lectured them and handed out a journalist code of conduct. let's be honest. it's the classic. it's the classic gop move to blame the media. and even though the lamestream media defense is getting old, cain and his representatives stuck to it until the very end. cain's attorney on cnn earlier this week. >> i'm sorry if you find me naive or my statements about mr. cain preposterous. what i find naive is the failure on the part of members of the media to be asking the tough
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questions of the accuser. >> what we have here is a failure to communicate. the accuser is not, i repeat, not running for president and she was questioned a lot by the media, even provided phone records by her, mr. attorney wood. fair warning. cain isn't alone in his media fault strategy. ladies and gentlemen, your new gop front-runner. here's newt gingrich. >> i took seriously brett's injunction to put aside the talking points and i wish you would put aside the gotcha questions. i hope my friends are going to repudiate every effort to get republicans to fight each other to protect barack obama. >> here's another gop front-runner in an interview with fox news? >> i don't know how many hundred times i've said this, too. this is an unusual interview. all right. let's do it again. >> okay. so some real talk here. let's just be honest about it.
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it doesn't get much friendlier than huckabee, palin, gingrich have all worked there. some still do. lodge -- long story short, maybe it's time for politicians to get caught in unflattering situations or who might have a bit of trouble with the truth to take responsibility for their own actions and stop blaming the media. and that's tonight's no talking points. it is a university band with historic traditions. one of the best around. but does that include a legacy of hazing? a report from the florida a&m hazing scandal next. later, we'll hear from the mothers of two of the band members. ase. so we earned a holiday trip to the big apple twice as fast! dinner! [ garth ] we get double miles every time we use our card. and since double miles add up fast, we can bring the whole gang! it's hard to beat double miles! i want a mace, a sword, a...
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a lawyer for the family of florida a&m university band member robert champion accuses the school of turning a blind eye on hazing. champion died last month after a halftime performance by the band. university officials say hazing was a factor. george howell looks at the investigation into an alleged culture of hazing at the school. ♪ >> fans affectionately call it the best band in the land. the marching 100 has long been the pride of florida a&m university. but since two hazing related incidents, one resulting in the death of the band's drum major
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robert champion, it's a campus in mourning. >> what's the mood been like here? >> the mood has been really sad. the monday coming back to school was really quiet. >> police are now investigating a culture of alleged hazing within the band in this 911 tape, you can hear band members on a bus with champion desperately trying to save him. >> are you with him right now? >> yes, i'm with him, ma'am. he's not breathing. i tried to give him cpr and he started to vomit. >> champion died at the hospital november 19th. not even two weeks before that, another student told police she was rushed to the hospital with injuries after a several week-long initiation period. dangerous and even violent behavior that former drum major a.j. richardson went underground after the school declared a zero tolerance policy on hazing. >> those things that began as innocent pranks have been added to over the years.
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we were asked to do push-ups, but we did not experience the kind of hazing that involved physicality, to get beat up. that just did not happen. >> richardson says he's worked closely over the years with the band's former director dr. julian white to try to get rid of hazing. white dismissed 30 students from the band for hazing related incidents prior to robert champions death. a week later, university president dr. james ammons fired dr. white and expelled four students. we reached out to several current and former band members but no one really wanted to talk about the hazing incidents or the students who were expelled. we found this to be a very tight-knit group. and many students on this campus tell me they are shocked this even happened. >> we hear about hazing sororities, fraternities. but when we hear the band, we are like, wait. we have hazing in the band. what's going on?
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>> investigators have not released details into what caused robert champion's death but the tragedy has left a cloud of uncertainty on this campus about its beloved band and the culture within its ranks. george howell, cnn, tallahassee, florida. the mothers of two students from the florida a&m marching band speak out about problems their sons are having with hazing. that's next. pretty quickly. so i like control in the rest of my life... especially my finances. that's why i have slate, with blueprint. i can make a plan to pay off big stuff faster... or avoid interest on everyday things. that saves me money. with slate from chase, i'm always in control. financially, anyway. get slate with blueprint and save money. call 855-get-slate today. good gravy, bill. our insurance company doesn't have anything like it. magnificent, isn't it? with progressive,
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at florida a&m university, there's nothing bigger than the marching band. families tell me the way of life on campus resembled the 2002 movie "drum line." ♪ so in drum line the marching band is the real featured player at football games. and the same is true at florida a&m. it's the reason the mothers two of band members say their sons won't leave the marching 100 despite the hazing they have endured. i first asked felicia fabray and berlinda johnson wut their reaction was when they learned a band member had died. >> my first thought was, i hope it was not hazing. >> really? >> yes. >> why? >> i was there that weekend in orlando when the incident occurred, and the rumors among the students within the band was that it was hazing. >> and you? >> i was like, just wow. i can't believe that they didn't
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listen. my husband and i had previously had a conversation with dr. white and the band directors and in our conversation, i had said to them please, you know, stop the hazing within your band because we don't -- all the accolades and greatness that they have accomplished, it's only going to take one thing. somebody is going to die and your world is going to come tumbling down. >> could have been any parent. could have been you getting that phone call? >> hazing does exist in the march 100 and within other organizations or other bands. he likes dr. white. he loves dr. white. he's always wanted to be a part of the marching 100. he doesn't want to see the band end he just wants the hazing to stop. he wants them to treat them with respect the way that they do. >> same with you? >> yes. >> you don't want mr. white to have to resign? >> no. i think that others -- i think that everyone who has some knowledge needs to kind of wake
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up now because apparently, you know if dr. white knew something and he passed the information to other people, then there are other people who need to also admit that this is going on. my son has always wanted to be a part of the band. he's been in the band since the third grade. when you have a vision of a band and he's been down for the marching band camp for the last four years prior to him becoming a freshman this year. so it was not something new to him. he absolutely loves the band. >> many people when you said there's a movie called "drum line." which is about fmu. and then i grew up going to southern university football games. the battle of the bands. even bigger than the football game sometimes to get people to understand what this means to especially historically black colleges and universities. what specifically what did your son go through as far as hazing? you said it's not allegations. there is hazing. what did your son go through? >> well, he was never physically hit. his was mostly verbal abuse.
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they do a lot of name calling. you have a -- i want to say a handful, maybe two handfuls of people within the band unit that are making it difficult for the other students. >> yeah. >> i think that if you remove these elements and you send a firm message that it won't be tolerated, and although you hear a lot of people saying there's not a way to stop it -- >> what do you want to happen? >> i want to see the band to come back even stronger than before. i am not the parent that says do away with the band. i say do away with the students who are inflicting the harm upon others. >> what will satisfy you? >> the same. i don't want to see them do away with the band. >> they did not reveal the identities of their sons for fear of retaliation. the moms say when they spoke out before their sons received threats. let's check your headlines. iran claims it shot down a u.s.
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spy drone over its air space. state tv quotes an iranian military official calling it a clear example of aggression. nato says it may have been an unmanned plane flying over western afghanistan when operators lost control last week. for years the american government has maintained that it does not fly drones over iran. president barack obama has offered pakistan his condolences for the nato attack that left 24 pakistani soldiers dead but he is not apologizing for the assault. these are pictures taken of the outpost after it came under fire from nato forces. president told pakistani president the u.s. is committed to a full investigation and the white house says the two agreed to continue the u.s./pakistan relationship which is critical to the security of both nations. 45,000 germans returned to their home sunday after two world war ii era bombs and a third device were successfully dismantled. one was a 4,000-pound air mine likely dropped by the british air force. a second bomb was defused while
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a fog-producing device was destroyed. for 65 years, the bombs were hidden in the rhine river until dropping water levels exposed them. the evacuation was the large -- largest in germany since the end of the war. southern california can expect more of this. >> there was a massive noise and i knew something terrible had happened to the house. >> as owners clean up from last week's hurricane-force winds, as santa ana winds are due to kick up again tonight. forecasters warn they could reach hurricane strength. in suburban atlanta, bishop eddie long is taking a break from the pulpit of his mega church. long's wife filed for divorce three days ago. he has been beset with allegation he's coerced young men into sexual relationships. long denied the allegations but settled out of court with his four accusers. wednesday marks the 70th anniversary of the attack on pearl harbor. and it will be the last time it is commemorated by the pearl harbor survivors association.
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the group is formally disbanding at the end of the month. time has taken its toll on the remaining 2700 members of the organization. most of them now in their 90s. survivors will rely on their children and grandchildren to keep alive the memory of that day. some 2,400 sailors and marines died in the attack. the next day the u.s. formally entered world war ii. and finally it is official. my lsu tigers will be playing alabama in the national championship game in new orleans on january 9th. alabama edged out oklahoma state for the second spot despite osu's big win over oklahoma on saturday. don't know why that happened. as you recall, lsu which is unbeaten already has played alabama once this season, winning 9-6 in overtime in tuscaloosa. all i have to say is go tigers. and thanksor watching. i'm don lemon at the cnn world headquarters in atlanta. thanks for watching. have a great week. i'll see you back here next weekend if not before. good night.


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